Thanks for the link! It's a natural family living board, so only for the very "crunchy" parents.
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can they download literature?
by there are four lights inon a parenting forum i belong to, there is a jw thread where jw's talk amongst themselves.
they've been talking about downloading the latest magazines and that you can download dramas and stuff.
it is only an audio thing, so i imagine it's something like a podcast that they are downloading.
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can they download literature?
by there are four lights inon a parenting forum i belong to, there is a jw thread where jw's talk amongst themselves.
they've been talking about downloading the latest magazines and that you can download dramas and stuff.
it is only an audio thing, so i imagine it's something like a podcast that they are downloading.
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On a parenting forum I belong to, there is a JW thread where JW's talk amongst themselves. They've been talking about downloading the latest magazines and that you can download dramas and stuff. It is only an audio thing, so I imagine it's something like a podcast that they are downloading. Does anyone know about this and is it for the public of just JW's?
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resources for unbelieving mates?
by there are four lights ini met a woman on another discussion board whose husband has just gotten baptized.
i think he was raised as a jw, they met and married, had a child, and now he's gone back to it.
she is very upset and doesn't know what to do.
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I met a woman on another discussion board whose husband has just gotten baptized. I think he was raised as a JW, they met and married, had a child, and now he's gone back to it. She is very upset and doesn't know what to do. Is there any groups out there for people whose spouses are JW's? Thanks.
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3 ways out
by Samuel Thorsen inif you are a jw and you want to live a real life you have a choice of 3 ways to get out of there.. 1. to get disfellowshiped.. 2. to disassosiate yourself.
(write the letter).
personally i se no reason to do anything but fade out, it's their rules not mine.
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My husband and I took the 4th option, and I highly recommend it. It is a fade, but different in that you can do whatever you want to, celebrate any holiday you want to, even hang christmas lights if you want to, and you don't have to worry about being Df'd, because you have this letter in your back pocket ready for when they come after you; http://www.docbob.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6 Here is the way we altered it for our situation; http://www.watchtowerletters.com/our_letter_elders.html
Once we sent the letter, we never heard from the elders again, yet we don't have any label at all so JW's can't put us into their neat little categories. Whoever told on us is disturbed that no action was taken, the elders where probably disturbed that the actual law is higher than their little theocracy, and our family members are scratching their heads in confusion that we told the elders we would meet with them, but they never called back to meet with us. We saved the most important relationships to us with family, but did lose a few just because they knew we didn't believe it anymore, though we still send them things like anniversary cards and pictures of our son and they send thank you cards back to us. -
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Question about maternity leave
by katiekitten inis it true that in america there is no paid maternity leave?.
if so surely that means most people have to return to work pretty quick after they have had a baby?
if thats true, then surely that means its not possible to breast feed your baby exclusively for any time at all?
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I'm glad to hear you aren't planning to wean when you go back to work. In the US, the nursing in public laws vary from state to state. Many states have a law stating that a mother can nurse wherever she has a legal right to be. However, the problem is that there are no laws that enforce these laws that simply restate normal human rights, so a company can ask a woman to leave and go sit in the bathroom, and one woman was even recently kicked off a flight for nursing. Most people don't have a problem with it in the state that I live in, but I did get a few dirty looks when I used to nurse in public when my son was a baby. I think it varies from region to region as to how much it is accepted in public.
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Question about maternity leave
by katiekitten inis it true that in america there is no paid maternity leave?.
if so surely that means most people have to return to work pretty quick after they have had a baby?
if thats true, then surely that means its not possible to breast feed your baby exclusively for any time at all?
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worldtraveller, Thanks for the welcome. I mostly lurk around for over a year now, but I saw this thread today and decided to comment. And yes, my username comes from that Star Trek episode. I thought it was appropriate.
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Question about maternity leave
by katiekitten inis it true that in america there is no paid maternity leave?.
if so surely that means most people have to return to work pretty quick after they have had a baby?
if thats true, then surely that means its not possible to breast feed your baby exclusively for any time at all?
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Are you really going to wean your baby before going back to work? Here we are encouraged to breastfeed until one year old, because research has shown that breastfeeding for AT LEAST one year gives your baby the best health benefits possible. The health benefits don't go away after only one year either, that is the minimum amount one should try for. My son is two and half and still breastfeeds, and he is never sick, has never had an ear infection, has never been to the doctor aside from a well baby visit, so it really is very good for their health. But 6 months is to young to wean! Here in the US we are lacking in the area of maternity leave. However, most breastfeeding women pump at work, it is no big deal here, and some are able to maintain a breastfeeding relationship with their child for longer than six months, and many make it close to or beyond one year. the problem is that as you pointed out many younger babies feed every two to three hours, but of course a women usually does not pump that often, which causes her milk supply to go down faster and she is unable to keep up with her babies needs and therefore ends up supplementing with formula at only about two or three months old. However, even if you never pump at work, but exclusively breastfeed at home, you can still keep up a supply to continue breastfeeding to one year. It will also help you reconnect with your baby emotionally after you being gone all day. Please don't quit breastfeeding just because you can no longer do it exclusively! And I agree that our health care system is severely lacking here. The whole maternity care system is based on litigation and not the actual evidence based studies that point to the most healthy course of action for mothers and babies. The maternity leave issue is another area that lacks, and breastfeeding is not valued or appreciated by many in this country. I think Norway has the best system, they get a full year of maternity leave, and over 90% of women there breastfeed for an entire year which saves there county tons of money in health care for those babies, and breastfeeding in public is totally accepted there.
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Christmas greetings from the ex-presidents of the Watchtower Society!
by there are four lights inclick here to view.
this is slow on the first view, but on the second play it is much better as it wont stop to load.
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Click here to view. This is slow on the first view, but on the second play it is much better as it wont stop to load.
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The Watchtower Societya Woman's Perspective
by The wanderer in<!-- .style1 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: #b450ab; } .style2 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; } --> the watchtower societya woman's perspective often times, i wondered how the sisters viewed the organization.. there will be two or three inquiries regarding this discussion so.
any information regarding it would be appreciated.. the way the sisters dressed according to the way the society viewed women what did you.
think about there standards regarding the dress code?.
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Thanks for the welcomes :)
Now, it may not be terribly enlightened of me to not be able to avoid getting nauseous, but it's the reality. Others get offended by it for different reasons--again, maybe not very good reasons, but the reality is they do get offended. Regardless of the various reasons, I think breastfeeding in public should be avoided so as to avoid offending others. in areas where it's not the norm. JMHO
How kind of you to consider strangers feelings in this matter. However, when my baby is hungry, I am only worried about his feelings. I don't feed my baby in dirty unhygenic bathrooms, I don't make him eat in places that I wouldn't eat. Since I'm not going to stay home until my son is weaned, then breastfeeding in public is what we do, and I have never had any problems with it in my area other then at the kingdom hall or at witness gatherings. I'm sorry to hear that it makes you nauseous, but I don't think that response is the norm. My point though was not to debate wether or not a woman should breastfeed in public, but to point out that at the kingdom hall the choice was made for me and I really resented that. It is my choice were to breastfeed, and due to the sexist nature of the JW's, I was not allowed to make that choice. In my normal everyday life I didn't give it a second thought, but within the resrictive culture of the JW's I felt I had to conform to their views on the subject even though I did not agree with them. -
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The Watchtower Societya Woman's Perspective
by The wanderer in<!-- .style1 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: #b450ab; } .style2 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; } --> the watchtower societya woman's perspective often times, i wondered how the sisters viewed the organization.. there will be two or three inquiries regarding this discussion so.
any information regarding it would be appreciated.. the way the sisters dressed according to the way the society viewed women what did you.
think about there standards regarding the dress code?.
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Hi, this is my first post, but I thought it was an interesting place to jump in. I was raised as a JW and married one 10 years ago when I was 21. We both stopped going to meeting a few months ago and no longer believe. Here are the things that bothered me about how women were treated; Women could not give talks directly to the congregation but had to put on some dumb little play with another woman, which was harder to write and deliver than a normal talk would be. I protested this by never giving talks. As a grown adult woman, but still living at home with my parents, my father was consulted on all matters pertaining to me before I was, or even instead of me being consulted. If the elders had a problem with me, wanted me to do more, thought I was doing something wrong, they went to my father and told him as if I was not a person. Dresses are the only culturaly acceptable attire for a woman to wear, and slacks are frowned upon. Wearing dresses in the winter out in service was stupid and freezing cold. Wearing dresses to conventions was stupid as one always had to be careful not to show anything while sitting on bleechers. Dresses also sexualize women, and as a feminist I hated having to dress in away that was more appealing for men to look at, which I am sure is the reason dresses were chosen as the attire of women. Breastfeeding, which I do in public everywhere else, had to be done in a room off of the bathroom at the kingdom hall and conventions. First of all, that is a huge inconvenience, especially at conventions. Second, it is totally disgusting to feed a baby in an area where you can hear and smell people using the bathroom. Third, all of the women brought their crying, screaming, misbehaving children into the same area and oftentimes spanked them right there in front of my baby who was terrified by the scene and would not eat well among all the comotion. Women also gathered in the room and had loud conversations while I was trying to breastfeed my son to sleep, which I could have done much easier at the seat, only I was certain an attendant would come up and tell me to stop. At conventions I did breastfeed at the seats, because I wasn't gonna let my baby cry while I hiked to a disgusting locker room full of chatting women spanking away at there poor kids. This is another way that men sexualize women, they do not want to see breasts being used in any other manner than sexually, so they try to "encourage" the women to use rooms away from them.